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Both were discontinued in 2024

If a creature enters the battlefield as a copy of a face-down creature or if a token is created that's a copy of one, that copy has the same characteristics as the face-down creature (in this case, a 2/2 Horror creature with no other characteristics), even though the copy is face up

Meddling Mages arent great in Commander, either, especially when they cant actually name an opposing Commander though at least this one scales for multiplayer

The last design upgrade of 2020 came in Commander Legends , where the two feature planeswalkers, Jeska, Thrice Reborn and Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools, expanded the upon planeswalkers as commanders by adding partner